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Saturday, October 30, 2010

Let Me Continue to Flog this Dead Horse

I'm STILL pissed about Winick's treatment of Ice in the latest issue of Justice League:Generation Lost. Which is a shame, because really, otherwise, I have been enjoying the book. But I've been abruptly YANKED out of my comfort zone, and instead of being mildly annoyed at his characterization, I now feel as though I've been pummelled about the face.

I also can't help but wonder how people would react if one of the BIG DC heroes had been so maligned? I also feel a heck of a lot more sympathy for fans of Cass Cain and Stephanie Brown, not to mention poor Roy. I liked them well enough, but they weren't my favorites, so I was a bit callous about their suffering. It couldn't happen to ME after all. Well...of course it has.

I'm also feeling just a tad alienated towards the editors of this book. WHAT were they thinking? Or did they even know who Ice was? I'm beginning to have my doubts. Do they just go out and drag in off any passing stranger off of the streets and hand over the editing job? I would think that at the very LEAST, the editor should have a passing knowledge of the characters being used. Of course, you would think that would ALSO apply to the writer. Winick just annoys the piss out of me, because I know that he can do better...but apparently can't be bothered.

Interestingly enough, Guy Gardner also underwent a massive transformation in characterization over the course of his travails in the Green Lantern books, through the old JLI, and in his own book. He started as a nice guy, who was horribly traumatized, and put in a coma, then woke up as a completely different man, to become the raving jackass that we all knew and loved. Gerard Jones treated him differently in Green Lantern from Keith Giffen and DeMatteis, but he was still recognizable as the same person. Then he got his own book, and changed a bit more, under Jones and then Chuck Dixon. It wasn't until Beau Smith got a hold of him that he REALLY underwent a sea change.


Oh yeah. Lost the bowl cut, got an eyepatch, and lost his powers and went looking for new ones, drinking the Warrior Waters, and discovering that he was actually the last Vuldarian...or at least a half-breed one, with amazing morphing powers and stuff. It was ALL quite ridiculous really.

And yet...it worked. And it worked, because Beau Smith was so very very careful to MAKE it work. He didn't throw out everything that had come before, he integrated into the new. Guy was a jackass, and now he was a jackass with his brains back...and it WORKED!

They have more or less retconned the whole Warrior thing since then, when Geoff Johns had Guy's Vuldarian DNA overwritten by his human DNA back in Rebirth. But he DIDN'T decide that it had all just been a figment of Guy's imagination! Nor did he throw out years of continuity, or completely trash stories from the past.

Guy has met Ice's mother, Queen Olaf. He speaks her hidden Ice Kingdom language. Ice's Mother actually came and visited his BAR for heaven's sake! She thinks of him as her adopted son. She also met all of the OTHER members of the Justice League! She's met Fire! Ice's brother Ewald went to the bad, and killed their father and tried to usurp the Kingdom, and the ENTIRE FRIGGIN JUSTICE LEAGUE showed up to overthrow him. He was killed and THAT was when Ice managed to gain her amped up powers.


But that's ok, it was all just a figment of Ice's imagination!

Oh, and that "you have to keep calm all of the time" advice given by her "father"? This is a woman who dated Guy Gardner. That is simply not POSSIBLE! He took her to a porn theatre. He took her to cock fights. He accidentally pushed her down a flight of stairs. She watched him get beated to a pulp by Hal Jordan, and didn't wig out. Heck, she managed to get KILLED without losing her cool.

So...I am going to ignore all of this. The same way that I am ignoring Power Girl, since Gray and Palmiotti and Amanda Conner left her in Winick's palsied hands. I'm going to cover my ears and go lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalallalalalalalala!!!

And I'll wait for the day that Geoff Johns, or Peter Tomasi or a REAL writer comes along and fixes this.

Guy pictures


At 2:12 PM, Blogger Shelly said...

I wasn't going to bring up Roy, but it's nice to know you understand my ire over how he's been treated over the last year. We can only hope for a retcon or reboot or something that brings back the good and gets rid of this crap. Roy had been, until the ill-advised killing of Lian and cutting off of his arm, an earnest hero who hid his insecurities behind a somewhat obnoxious facade, but you knew it was a facade because of the times we saw the real Roy.

I can understand wanting to put characters through trauma, but I'm having a hard time thinking there's a way he can come out of this whole without retconning. And they didn't even change his history like they've done with Ice.

Feh. It just plain sucks.

At 5:43 PM, Blogger SallyP said...

It DOES suck. Big time. Every hero and heroine needs SOME sort of trials to overcome, that's part of their schtick as it were...but the unbelievable amount of crap that they've had happen to poor Roy is mndboggling.

I like Roy. He used to be a lot of fun. Well...they've made sure that THAT isn't going to be happening any time soon.

Same thing with Ice. She was soft and sweet and shy and demure and adorable. Obviously, we can't have THAT sort of thing going on.

I'm really sick of angst.

At 5:59 PM, Blogger Shelly said...

I'm just gonna keep thinking this is all a nasty alternate universe and the real one is just fine. Ice is still sweet and has her old backstory, and Roy is whole and has his daughter. Yup.

At 6:24 PM, Blogger SallyP said...

VERY sensible of you.

At 7:28 PM, Blogger Sea-of-Green said...

Well, considering all of the "changes" DC has planned for Wonder Woman and Superman, I'd say the Big Guns are in doo-doo as deep as what Ice and Roy are in -- so, DC appears to be in Take No Prisoners mode once more. Ironic that for the first time in his existence, Hal Jordan seems immune from the editorial tampering.

At 12:44 AM, Blogger LissBirds said...

This is why fans should be allowed to be editors, becuase readers know more about their favorite characters than editors do sometimes.

*sigh* I wish they would stop changing things to sell books and just get back to basics and telling good stories without resorting to shock value. I think you're right in assuming that no character is safe, Sea. I'm ticked about what's happening to J'onn. I'm not a big Green Arrow fan, but I'm still horrified about what happened to Roy.

So, yeah, I'm going with alternate universe. And then I'm dropping Generation Lost. And starting some kind of letter-writing campaign or something.

Heck, I wish they printed letters to the editor in the back of comics instead of the DCU Source column.

At 8:20 AM, Blogger SallyP said...

As far as I can see, being a COMIC book editor has to be the easiest job in the world! You don't apparently have to know anything about the characters, and are just there to let the writer run all over any past storylines. Easy!

Man, I'm getting bitter.

At 8:52 AM, Anonymous AE said...

I'm sticking with my 'Hal Jordan did it' theory which reads, 'This was all part of Hal's Zero Hour plan to restart the universe and reinstate himself on (or near) top.'

If I don't, I'll quit buying my beloved comics.

At 12:16 PM, Blogger notintheface said...

Can't they just get Damage to blow up and restart the universe and fix all this mess?

No, wait. HE'S dead, too.


At 3:11 PM, Blogger SallyP said...

Apparently, if they get the two Firestorms together, THEY could recreate the Big Bang, which would certainly be a solution to all of our problems.

Still...a little on the drastic side. If Ice simply wakes up and sees Guy in the shower, then it will ALL be ok!

At 8:21 PM, Blogger Sweet Nothings said...

This is what I went through in the 90s with Donna Troy. She went from being one of my most beloved characters (and , really, one of THE most beloved characters in the DCU as Wonder Girl) to ... well, Bryne. Honestly, she was never the same again. Some characters can recover from what happened to them. I think Ice will recover, once Winick isn't writing her. But characters like Donna Troy and Roy Harper might not ever.

At 9:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sally, I'd be a little more inclined to accept this if Generation Lost was shaping up to be a good story. But it's mediocre at best. On the up side, being eminently forgettable makes means it'll be forgotten that much sooner, and we can get get back to good stores.

Anybody remember the Blood Pack? Didn't think so.

-- Jack of Spades

At 12:38 PM, Blogger SallyP said...



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